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#235 2020-12-12 10:19:49

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Re: Other records problems

lurk is 4x on this (3x in top 3):
http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … mp;Limit=7

PROVE that .Le Baguette ?! is lurk: https://www.cjoint.com/c/JLmjjxqhZ4Q


on this map http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … p;Limit=5, lurk was 3x and you were not sur if a guy was lurk, now it is obvious, pls finish the work ESPCIALLY WHEN a guy is 2x on the top 3 [add this new rule please ?!]

thx for your work smile !!!

IN case Lurk change his acc nicks, please notice somewhere that:
awtomatkalaschnikowa-47  is lurk
kacknoob_  is lurk
lurk93 is lurk
.Le Baguette ?!  is lurk

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#236 2020-12-25 10:15:44

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Re: Other records problems

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namm1, your personal beef with another player (I can't think of another explanation for this obsession) has no place in this forum. Please refrain from spamming about this any further.

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#237 2020-12-26 09:36:35

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Re: Other records problems

other drivers has the right to get what they deserved, when doing very nice performances, that's about fairness here !


that would be very interresting if we can link 2 accounts, so that we wont have to care about the risk of many accounts on dedis, pls, that would solve this problem, thx for helping in this direction ?!

Have included some of my + 1 dedis, so that obisouly not made against any guys, that's just to preserve fairness, beyond mistaking smile

Proove of that, again ! smile :

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … p;Limit=25

Otake 2x and na+mm 2x

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#238 2020-12-26 13:19:14

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Re: Other records problems

You're not really good at listening, now are you?

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#239 2022-12-22 16:55:50

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Re: Other records problems

So this track got basically a dedi setback only leaving Dedi 1 (which already was set 9 days ago) altho dedi 2-30 were legit. People hunted there for 10 hours to get dedis and all records, besides the ones which stood before the hunt, were wiped.

So my question is why?

This is the track: https://tmnf.exchange/trackshow/10014613

If you need any more information let me know.

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#240 2022-12-22 17:55:39

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Re: Other records problems

adrian10032003 wrote:

So this track got basically a dedi setback only leaving Dedi 1 (which already was set 9 days ago) altho dedi 2-30 were legit. People hunted there for 10 hours to get dedis and all records, besides the ones which stood before the hunt, were wiped.

So my question is why?

This is the track: https://tmnf.exchange/trackshow/10014613

In the past two days, all entries except #1 had been superseded by a cheater using nearly 30 different logins with the same pattern. Deleting those and reverting to the state of Dec 20 was the only solution.

It's something that happened once before on another track.

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#241 2022-12-22 18:40:49

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Re: Other records problems

Every run driven was legit and driven by a human being. We as a group hunted this track for 2 days (like 3 hunt sessions, around 4-6 hours each) and worked on setting our records. It was a surprise to us that they got deleted. I can provide every replay i think, all driven on competitive patch as well hmm

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#242 2022-12-22 19:12:43

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Re: Other records problems

Chin up, try again.

I've been in your boots before, just re-drive times and carry on, it will make whoever made 30 accounts and went through the process of cheating look like an idiot for wasting their time. smile

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#243 2022-12-22 19:16:57

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Re: Other records problems

Thats not what i am trying to say sorry for not expressing myself clearly. The 29 records that got removed called cheated are in fact not cheated. I have all 29 replays collected now and i can send them. They all have different start inputs and are all driven on competitive patch... they were all driven by humans. By us as a group hunting the track...

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#244 2022-12-22 19:18:33

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Re: Other records problems

adrian10032003 wrote:

Thats not what i am trying to say sorry for not expressing myself clearly. The 29 records that got removed called cheated are in fact not cheated. I have all 29 replays collected now and i can send them. They all have different start inputs and are all driven on competitive patch... they were all driven by humans.

You've misunderstood Xymph, someone created 30 accounts and cheated with them online, which caused the top30 to be wiped when they were all removed.

It's not those people who you think that cheated, but someone else created 30 new accounts with the sole purpose to wipe out the top30 apparently.

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#245 2022-12-22 19:20:57

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Nono i didn´t missunderstand him.. we were those 29 accounts.. named us from uluruuuxxx1-uluruuxxxx29. We set those times that preocupied dedi.

God I have to improve on my english sorry for that

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#246 2022-12-22 19:24:49

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Re: Other records problems

But... why? It's not really sportsmanship to make new accounts to spam dedis either with alternative accounts.

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#247 2022-12-22 19:32:04

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Re: Other records problems

Thats right depending on the way you look at it. People found it funny, noone complained so far. If a dedi record means everything for you then yes i understand that. But dedimania is not everything.

But i guess its better to just have them removed for now. We had our fun with it for a short while.

Thank you for answering that quickly smile

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#248 2022-12-22 19:37:22

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Re: Other records problems

adrian10032003 wrote:

Nono i didn´t missunderstand him.. we were those 29 accounts.. named us from uluruuuxxx1-uluruuxxxx29. We set those times that preocupied dedi.

That is unacceptable, because indistinguishable from cheating and/or vandalism. Do no create new accounts solely for this purpose (which are all banned, btw). If you had used your normal accounts that are used on many other tracks, it wouldn't have set off alarm bells, or resulted in (much) action on my part.

And even then, as vrbnjak notes, it is somewhat unsportsmanlike to block out the entire records list of a track in a orchestrated way. But if they are truly different accounts by different players, then it is not a problem.

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#249 2022-12-22 19:43:22

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Re: Other records problems

We got the idea from another group that also did that on five different tracks, with the same scheme, so we thought its fine and accepted, as they didn´t get removed and their records stand till this day. We checked also the forum and we didn´t find a rule that pointed out, that this is forbidden, so we thought we might just do it as a project.

If we overlooked the rule stating it, then I take that on me.

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#250 2022-12-22 20:44:38

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Re: Other records problems

adrian10032003 wrote:

We got the idea from another group that also did that on five different tracks, with the same scheme, so we thought its fine and accepted, as they didn't get removed and their records stand till this day. We checked also the forum and we didn't find a rule that pointed out, that this is forbidden, so we thought we might just do it as a project.

It's not a formal published rule, but not all things that are frowned upon or are crossing borders, are formalized.

Of course now you made me curious about those five tracks, but I guess they put enough variance in logins/nicknames to not trigger detection.

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#251 2023-11-01 12:50:38

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Re: Other records problems

Hello I am here to ask for a friend of mine if it is possible to add a record to the data base that hasn’t been saved because the dedimania connection to the server was interrupted.

He is currently dedi 5 and got dedi 1 when the connection to dedimania was interrupted.

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

He also uploaded the record to tmx and I have screenshots of him getting it online:
Track: http://tmnf.exchange/trackshow/7220267
Proof: http://imgur.com/a/3JJW8CF

I wanted to ask if it’s possible to get the record added afterwards to the database or if this is generally not done.

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#252 2023-11-01 21:21:38

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Re: Other records problems

adrian10032003 wrote:

I wanted to ask if it’s possible to get the record added afterwards to the database or if this is generally not done.

This is technically too hard and never done.

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#253 2024-01-25 13:21:55

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Re: Other records problems

Hey there, some people of my clan got 1 to 8records removed without doing anything to my knowledge that would justify it, one of them got more than a hundred records removed. His login is: mytm10
I want to ask what the reason for removing all these records was and if it’s possible to restore them in case it was a mistake. Also wondering why all these records got deleted around the same time.

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#254 2024-01-25 18:13:33

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Re: Other records problems

adrian10032003 wrote:

Hey there, some people of my clan got 1 to 8records removed without doing anything to my knowledge that would justify it, one of them got more than a hundred records removed. His login is: mytm10
I want to ask what the reason for removing all these records was and if it’s possible to restore them in case it was a mistake. Also wondering why all these records got deleted around the same time.

Three or more identical nicks on a track leads to monopolizing, and get pruned periodically. Use unique nicks to keep unique recs.

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#255 2024-01-25 21:26:23

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Re: Other records problems

Okay I understand but why did this one particular guy got all his records removed for that? We are playing an internal war with the clan with 3 different teams and while they all had the same team tag they were all coloured differently in their colours they usually are coloured with to distinct them. I personally think it’s unfair that the one person got all their records removed for just that, not even breaking a particular rule. I understand that the single records on the tracks where they got it with the same name got removed but all? Seems harsh and unfair to me

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#256 2024-01-26 10:07:36

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Re: Other records problems

adrian10032003 wrote:

Okay I understand but why did this one particular guy got all his records removed for that? We are playing an internal war with the clan with 3 different teams and while they all had the same team tag they were all coloured differently in their colours they usually are coloured with to distinct them. I personally think it’s unfair that the one person got all their records removed for just that, not even breaking a particular rule. I understand that the single records on the tracks where they got it with the same name got removed but all? Seems harsh and unfair to me

mytm10 did not get all records removed, has 3085 in the database: http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS
The pruning script keeps only the top entry of the identical nicks, but of course strips off any formatting tags first. If one identical nick got pruned more than the others, it was slower on more tracks.

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