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Hello, reporting this dedimania 1 because his CPs are impossible on that track:

UId:          hYpMewlVkQ8B7mf1dt3sUP07xsc
login :       slr_llexx
TMX page:  http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … 43125#auto

Thanks

ikdennisik wrote:

One of my buddies has gotten all his 1st records deleted after he drove a cut on a nadeo track, D-3.
I thought it was odd that his time was suddenly removed, only to check a few minutes ago to see all his 1sts where gone.

Standard practice when cheating once.

ikdennisik wrote:

D-3 Uid: HkhOzC1KEYxBUhb0srKCipJZ2a6

Login: rey07

Why didn't he post here himself? No offense, but I don't like dealing with messengers.

ikdennisik wrote:

I know his time was insanely fast, and no cps, so I bet an automated system got him or something.

You lose that bet. What did I win?

ikdennisik wrote:

Here's the replay as proof(D-3): https://youtu.be/rF7oBcuhvds?t=2m8s

Wacky.

ikdennisik wrote:

He can provide me with many more replays so it would be nice if they could be placed back. ^^

Done.

The problem is that rey07 didn't do what every player should when driving a seemingly impossible time: upload the replay to TMX that same day, e.g. here.
In case the pertaining TMX section is closed or the track isn't on TMX, the next best thing is to post the replay in this topic. It's a sticky, so anyone coming into this forum should read it.

Following these simple steps will not prevent your record being flagged as possibly cheated, but during my scrutiny if I see the replay, it will prevent me manually deleting it along with your other #1 entries.

xymph wrote:

skaned wrote:

Two players that seem to be cheating just a little to avoid detection I guess. Haven't found anything obvious with bad cp times. But plenty of failed validations and obvious cheating in race replays. Are failed validation files and obvious cheating in replays good enough to get players banned?

Nope. I have no idea who and what is shown in those replays, and don't care either.  And validation replays are not perfect, they can show false positives. I don't know whether that's the case here, only that it's not convincing proof to warrant bans.

So you think the records reported by skaned might be false positives?
In my opinion you should really care about what is shown in this replays. Because they are even better to proof hacks than something like cp/sector-times.
And yes this replays clearly proof that those records that are still stored in the dedimania database are hacked.
edit: I cutted the replays so they only show the runs of the records in the dedis(you don't have to look for them in the entire replay now). I know you don't like watching replays but all these replays are really short so please take this 1 minute to watch them

www.sendspace.com/file/i43wv1
is the run for this dedi 1 http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

www.sendspace.com/file/ofnqts
is the run for this dedi 1 dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&Logi … how=RECORD
He jumped right before the fin.

edited accidentally put the raw file in oops.
www.sendspace.com/file/9dmhxm
is the run for this dedi 9 http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD
Got boosted at the jump to the finish.

The other ones are too short for dedis.

Last edited by crooky1212 (2015-09-20 19:50:19)

When I see your comments I think I wasnt explaining well enough, sorry :c I try to be more precise now.
I just wanted to tell you similarities between .shadowray4. and nidaiee. I know for myself that this 2 logins are 100% sure the same person. I didn't just do a random assumption. I am just really trying to find as many stuff to convince you as I can.

xymph wrote:

crooky1212 wrote:

xymph wrote:

Such assertions are pointless wthout proof.

I can't really say if this counts as proof for you but it's strong evidence at least.
His oldest records were driven on testserver890 dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&RGam … ow=RECORDS

Why is that relevant?

Well... First of all testserver890 was the own server of .shadowray4. (Also noticeble: the current .shadowray4. nickname and testserver890 servername are the same)
He was driving there very actively until his ban at 2014-09-21. After he noticed the ban he made his new account nidaiee  and drove his first dedi at this server (2014-09-25). He still had his same style of playing this game with randomly adding maps from tmx and looking for cuts and playing the nirolol series.

xymph wrote:

crooky1212 wrote:

He is also Netherlands/Overijssel.

That's my zone too. In the past some cheaters intentionally set their zone to mine, perhaps in some fruitless attempt to annoy me. Not saying that's the case here.

www.xaseco.org/metastats.php?tmf=nidaiee
www.xaseco.org/metastats.php?tmf=.shadowray4.
www.xaseco.org/metastats.php?tmf=testserver890
both and his old serveraccount are netherlands/overijssel
Your comment was u

xymph wrote:

crooky1212 wrote:

And he played his old maps from his old tmx account for example this: tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main.aspx?ac … id=5977834

That replay validates. What's your point, really?

About this. It is known that this tmx account belongs to .shadowray4. .
If nidaiee wasn't .shadowray4. it would be odd to dig out this old maps.

xymph wrote:

crooky1212 wrote:

I tested it. If you click on validate it simulates the inputs. Wrong simulation means that with the same inputs you get another time or unfinished race.

Then why doesn't the invalidation message state that (which is familiar), and instead shows "Wrong simulation"?

When you validate a hacked replay in the replay editor it will never show something else than "wrong simulation". So it's not unfamiliar at all. The messages you mean ONLY appear ingame or in the exported/converted files.

I found a replay where you really see that he is using no-wall-friction.
tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main.aspx?ac … id=6338619
At 15 seconds you see that he didn't lose speed when he hit the wall.

crooky1212 wrote:

When I see your comments I think I wasnt explaining well enough, sorry :c I try to be more precise now.

Yeah.

crooky1212 wrote:

I just wanted to tell you similarities between .shadowray4. and nidaiee. I know for myself that this 2 logins are 100% sure the same person. I didn't just do a random assumption. I am just really trying to find as many stuff to convince you as I can.

Well... First of all testserver890 was the own server of .shadowray4. (Also noticeble: the current .shadowray4. nickname and testserver890 servername are the same)
He was driving there very actively until his ban at 2014-09-21. After he noticed the ban he made his new account nidaiee  and drove his first dedi at this server (2014-09-25). He still had his same style of playing this game with randomly adding maps from tmx and looking for cuts and playing the nirolol series.

I understand now.

crooky1212 wrote:

About this. It is known that this tmx account belongs to .shadowray4. .
If nidaiee wasn't .shadowray4. it would be odd to dig out this old maps.

What do you mean exactly by "odd to dig out this old maps"?

crooky1212 wrote:

When you validate a hacked replay in the replay editor it will never show something else than "wrong simulation". So it's not unfamiliar at all. The messages you mean ONLY appear ingame or in the exported/converted files.

As eluded before I didn't know that. Thanks for explaining.

crooky1212 wrote:

I found a replay where you really see that he is using no-wall-friction.
tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main.aspx?ac … id=6338619
At 15 seconds you see that he didn't lose speed when he hit the wall.

Gotcha.

xymph wrote:

skaned wrote:

Two players that seem to be cheating just a little to avoid detection I guess. Haven't found anything obvious with bad cp times. But plenty of failed validations and obvious cheating in race replays. Are failed validation files and obvious cheating in replays good enough to get players banned?

Nope. I have no idea who and what is shown in those replays, and don't care either.  And validation replays are not perfect, they can show false positives. I don't know whether that's the case here, only that it's not convincing proof to warrant bans.

Good point, I should probably have included which nick to spec and not only which time the cheats occured. trollingmeh has the nick "meh" and waxyy uses the nick "raizo" with various pre- and/or postfixes. I guess it is even better to do like Crooky and cut the replay to only show the interesting parts. Thanks Crooky!

Personally I have never seen a false positive validation replay. And then I have always seen the cheating done live or in the replay afterwards. How would I know it is a false positive anyway? Can the validation replay be bad but the validation of the same replay be good?

xymph wrote:

I investigated this login last week, found those too, but the invalidation reason is always "Wrong Simulation". I'm not entirely sure what that means, but the replays show really wacky cuts (and no impossible car physics), so maybe the engine loses track (no pun intended) somewhere.

I mentioned this about "wrong simulation" stuff a year ago. http://dedimania.net/SITE/forum/viewtop … 4806#p4806

skaned wrote:

.shadowray4. seems to have a very slippery car indeed. If you go to edit one of his "wrong simulation" replays and choose "Export to validate" and then try to validate that file, you will get the usual "unfinished race" message.

.

crooky1212 wrote:

Not only at 0:52. The first 30 seconds of this are the best example to show the no wall friction hack they are using.  You clearly see he didn't lose speed when touching those walls. You will not really notice this on other spots. This is what they do to get those real looking replays that are wrong simulation.

Nice find Crooky! I only looked for his cheated record run. If he had cheats or not when he did the record is virtually impossible to know. I mean when hitting a wall and bouncing up it is much harder to see if there is less friciton compared to driving in to a wall and then continuing driving with the same speed.

ikdennisik wrote:

Here's the replay as proof(D-3): https://youtu.be/rF7oBcuhvds?t=2m8s

With friction hacks it's really hard to determine if it was cheated or not from just a youtube video. But in this case I it was done on the fwo server so I definitely think it's real.

crooky1212 wrote:

For trollingmeh :

You see the run that is in dedi 1 on tmx. tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main.aspx?ac … id=6348706
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

Oh wow, I didn't even see that he had uploaded his cheated record replay. And (of course) it comes back showing "Wrong simulation" when validating...

xymph wrote:

crooky1212 wrote:

For trollingmeh :

You see the run that is in dedi 1 on tmx. tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main.aspx?ac … id=6348706
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … how=RECORD

In the replay from skaned you see exactly the same run starting at 33 seconds.
And as I said he clearly used no-wall-friction hacks in the first 30 seconds.

Okay, got an edited replay for skaned's "MEH-natic #01" replay too?

First 30 seconds of the race including the cheated 9.88 time: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw6m8 … Fpqekw0WEE
Failed 9.88s validation: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw6m8 … WpOcER3RVk

Full replay of trollingmeh: https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw6m8 … UxPWXFUa0E

Also I found another screenshot of the chat. So first he cheated 9.88 and then paniced because he wanted a valid time but its a hard track to finish.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw6m8 … 2o5N2FxejQ
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw6m8 … TBUMFktdW8
Notice how he writes at the end of the second screenshot that he wants Will B to spec him. Thats when he uses cheats and makes the car jump crazy at the end of the full replay. And he doesn't even deny it.

Then of course later he did 5.78 and it wasn't saved to dedi. But you can always log onto the server furycutserver and see that it was actually trollingmeh who did do that time.
Not that it really matters, but I noticed waxyy(raizo), trollingmeh(meh) and nidaiee(iceblue) all have high server ranks on that server. https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw6m8 … W1INXdabEE
I haven't caught anyone else there cheating though.

xymph wrote:

Not just "better", but essential. And how can you see which nick is shown racing? The ` key doesn't do anything when viewing replays and the driver info in the GBX header is undefined.

Ah, you need to load the replays into the replay editor, not just load them into tm and select "view replay". There you can see the nicks of all cars and you can also select which car to follow in the replay. And obviously you can quickly jump to the selected time when the cheats occured.

xymph wrote:

skaned wrote:

How would I know it is a false positive anyway? Can the validation replay be bad but the validation of the same replay be good?

You can't know for sure, that's part of the problem. But two situations that I think can possibly result in a false positive are: when an old replay is viewed on the latest game engine and the physical properties of some block(s) are different (xbx explained that to me once); and one-lap replays of multilap tracks.

Possible that these things could give false positives, but neither of those should be possible here. They are all recent replays and none of them were multilaps. Online multilaps don't save autosave replays anyway. Of course that doesn't mean there could be more situations that give false positives. But when only some certain players give frequent failed validations and others don't then it sure seems very suspicious.

xymph wrote:

skaned wrote:

Not that it really matters, but I noticed waxyy(raizo), trollingmeh(meh) and nidaiee(iceblue) all have high server ranks on that server.
I haven't caught anyone else there cheating though.

Thanks for the additional info, waxyy and trollingmeh now banned/all deleted too.

Thanks for all your hard work on keeping dedimania clean!

xymph wrote:

skaned wrote:

Ah, you need to load the replays into the replay editor, not just load them into tm and select "view replay". There you can see the nicks of all cars and you can also select which car to follow in the replay. And obviously you can quickly jump to the selected time when the cheats occured.

NOW you tell me. Never really used the replay editor before.

Oh sorry, just figured you had used the replay editor before after years of dedimania work. My bad. But it is really helpful so that you can just jump to any point in a replay, replay a specific part over and over, replay in slow motion, and so on..  Just load the replay into the editor, select the "Camera" timeline and select the player. Uploaded this pic a long time ago to show others how to do it: http://www.tm-tube.com/photo/14136/spec … her+player

trollingmeh wrote:

Uhm,i don't know where i did that if i hacked,please send me a replay/proof i wan't to know where and how,because i can't remember finishing with hacks,only having fun not finishing..

Okay,i have the proof now.but i was flying around with Nieuwe TM hack and youknow just chillin and i pressed a button and it flew me to finish,the time was around 30+ seconds so i improved it because it was an accident,i never cheated for times you know. i sweared i won't hack times and i only accidently finished a track 30+ seconds and then improved so it wasnt a hacked time anymore.see?

"chillin", "accidently", "having fun not finishing"... that's all bullshit. Every player is responsible for his/her actions, and has a choice: either you cheat, or you don't. At all.

At this point I don't care anymore whether you cheated once, 10 times, or all the time. Investigating your cheated entries and discussing them wasted so much of my, crooky1212's and skaned's time that a ban is the appropriate result. Btw, that goes for waxyy too, should he decide to poke his nose into this forum.

Now you learn that bad actions can have bad consequences.

trollingmeh wrote:

Please guys i don't want this thing getting me banned wich it already did because i play so much here and i love it

Then you won't mind this.

tm2:vrbnjak wrote:

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Dedi 1 by tera_xyz seems suspicious.

You forgot to explain why.

login: jamesfever
track: A02 - race dedi1 rounds
UiD: JwKdDsOUh4L9_eYyRsdiA2o1fW1

I was cleaning up in local records on my server. Came upon this 1. This login is fairly new , with 4,4 avops wich is pretty bad. I ended up with deleting record and blacklist login. However since the sector times wasnt that obvious cheat, I had to think twice. To get his endtime with that CP, is almost impossible.

Today this player contacted me wondering why his record was removed. I asked him to upload replay to tmx or give it to me. But he didnt have replay, because he had "problems" with saving. ( usual excuse me think )
Later he sent me replay of a run with 15.90 endtime, without using "dirtdance" trick ( main trick to break into TMX )

Even though sectortimes on A02 cant prove he is a cheater. His little impressive dedistats should convict him and u probably can find some wierd sectortimes on some of his other records. If u need to see his best replay, tell me how to send it to u. He is for sure no A-02 expert.

Regards Top

I suggest IF you make a video remove the custom cameras and add a top10 tmx replay for comparison, that would help a lot more. or if you have the replay just upload.

You don't have to MAKE it, since if you made a video of it you have the replay file. You can upload it on sendspace for example so we can see it, or TMX is just the easiest way.