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brainsmack wrote:

suspicious time on Nadeo D-3 race: 20.99 by login daan7

UID: HkhOzC1KEYxBUhb0srKCipJZ2a6

1st TMX is 21.09 for example

Yeah, that can't be right from a player with just 4 recs in total. Deleted all, he won't miss 'm.

karpik09 wrote:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&Login=toldi750&Uid=XYiTfAdultrTWVJpjl_Bdnf7x4l&Show=RECORD
Cheat- toldi750 is team GS member (me too). His cousin, little fool, played on his account and cheated.

Already detected in the daily database scans, and deleted. This still counts as the final warning for toldi750.

Who needs enemies with family like that?

brainsmack wrote:

cheated times on:

A03
uid: mWxQhvvPOoNfPaq18j3dokLqyO7
18.39 by bryan199810

A12
uid: zwAbNlFSDcXjRBk0YSMyxc5kJJ8
17.41 by blitz250
17.71 by bryan199810

A15
uid: dJQvN8hB18o3SXNl897MOShzZQ5
19.54 by blitz250
24.06 by bryan199810

Probably cheated, they don't follow the typical cheating pattern. Deleted, but not (yet) banned their logins.
Thanks for the note.

glasi66 wrote:

xypmph pls check this time, i think its definitvly cheated
http://www.dedimania.com/tmstats/?do=st … 0UKJsjqwsk

Yes, and _00f_daniel cheated on another 10 tracks earlier this month. Banned and all recs deleted.

glasi66 wrote:

and as kaplov wrote, capsogel is for sure forceair with new united account,

Do you have proof for that assertion?

glasi66 wrote:

here some examples with new dedi one records, all tracks without cp. he is kidding us on our server.

How do you mean, kidding? Proof?

glasi66 wrote:

track ids:
v5jc5DD9QgQGeQFM_sQwgPDRZN6

This was driven on tm-speedserver, which may be the new name of forceair's gericomserver server, but there's not enough evidence yet.

glasi66 wrote:

g6tPwFMzqrvhkyNODgqjB1csr59
T0TwhEwMDyryL_aqc_tHR11btod

I presume lolmixx, where those two were driven, is your server then. You could have clarified that.

glasi66 wrote:

you would do a pleasure to all correct players deleting the records and ban the login

Not without sufficient proof.

Hi all,

I have recently found some clues about that case, and following glasi's response, I can say that :
*First, about capsogel player himself :
    - Tm-Ladder page shows same login type (except one Nation) and same region as
    his previous logins hubertkah, michaelundmartina, forceair :
    United » World » Germany » North Rhine-Westphalia » Düsseldorf
    - Solo Ladder shows 0 SP on all his United logins
    - Lots of records already (400+) on dedi but only 512 victories means that he's playing alone most of the time
    - I recognized some tracks where forceair was cheating before his ban :
    jPUNu8NqeTJOioUEnY7n8oBJAZb, DOLltRS7WgVoighGB7DHhUoMbKc, yrqQPIuhY_EPBQSidCcMO6uZqze
*Second, about his server :
    - Name : LOLLI POP that is the same as the BlackVader2000 one
    - Num players : "blocked" to max 1
    - XASECO v1.10 : the server is relatively old
    - michealundmartina and forceair logins where recorded on this server
*Finally a few of his records are suspect :
    - ddobd3YbpRk9vIP3RHoC2JKteD3 > limit is around 9.90 with fullspeed. His time is just impossible.
    - yr_xcFQVtxUlTr86O03d9B0ITC8 > First CP time is suspect (4.21).
    The maximum time there I can achieve with the quickest path (ie. press forward) is 4.22.
    - ZyfCiUWa_PzJ3umJpZCqEokpkZ2 > CP1 is 8.43 while best you can get is around 8.50
    - ws6rEbNKks2bpQc2XcnWYiB71s6 > A hard one... There are 2 paths possible : turn-around + U-turn | pressbackward + get
    over the wall and reset at first CP. If you take the first path : the possible best CP patterns are 8.2x-9.0x-12.8x (the best
    is urnik_-_ with 8.32-9.07-12.79). If it is the second path : the CP2 can maximum be 2.00 sec more than the CP1
    (ex: top10 recs) because of the respawn (it is the same with doing "gaz" right after touching the CP).
    The rec shows a 1.49 difference between CP1 and CP2 which is very suspect.

Seems like this guy (who -I am also sure now- is forceair) is learning additional tricks after each ban to hide his records (ex. : submitting (with forceair login) records with times close to the 2-30 range and on no-cp tracks to make them undetectable). This time, I noticed he's submitted recs every 10 minutes in average with times even closer than the #2 and with frequently correct CP times on multiCP tracks ; I don't know if this is a new trick he learned after his last ban but I'm still very skeptic.

Have a nice day.

Last edited by kaplovh (2011-03-29 11:42:15)

kaplovh wrote:

I have recently found some clues about that case, and following glasi's response, I can say that :
*First, about capsogel player himself :
    - Tm-Ladder page shows same login type (except one Nation) and same region as
    his previous logins hubertkah, michaelundmartina, forceair :
    United » World » Germany » North Rhine-Westphalia » Düsseldorf

Yes, we already covered that.

kaplovh wrote:

- Solo Ladder shows 0 SP on all his United logins

Not sure why that is relevant, I have very few myself and don't even know how/when I got them.

kaplovh wrote:

- Lots of records already (400+) on dedi but only 512 victories means that he's playing alone most of the time

Yes, evidently.

kaplovh wrote:

- I recognized some tracks where forceair was cheating before his ban :
    jPUNu8NqeTJOioUEnY7n8oBJAZb, DOLltRS7WgVoighGB7DHhUoMbKc, yrqQPIuhY_EPBQSidCcMO6uZqze

Ok, I don't, but that's not very important.

kaplovh wrote:

*Second, about his server :
    - Name : LOLLI POP that is the same as the BlackVader2000 one

Oh that's funny, identical down to every character and formatting code indeed.

kaplovh wrote:

- Num players : "blocked" to max 1
    - XASECO v1.10 : the server is relatively old

gericomserver was running v1.09 before it got blocked, but cheat detection hasn't changed between those two versions, so it's not important.

kaplovh wrote:

- michealundmartina and forceair logins where recorded on this server

Right, I checked that already when this situation first came up. But 50-60 other players also submitted recs from this server last year.

kaplovh wrote:

*Finally a few of his records are suspect :
    - ddobd3YbpRk9vIP3RHoC2JKteD3 > limit is around 9.90 with fullspeed. His time is just impossible.
    - yr_xcFQVtxUlTr86O03d9B0ITC8 > First CP time is suspect (4.21).
    The maximum time there I can achieve with the quickest path (ie. press forward) is 4.22.
    - ZyfCiUWa_PzJ3umJpZCqEokpkZ2 > CP1 is 8.43 while best you can get is around 8.50
    - ws6rEbNKks2bpQc2XcnWYiB71s6 > A hard one... There are 2 paths possible : turn-around + U-turn | pressbackward + get
    over the wall and reset at first CP. If you take the first path : the possible best CP patterns are 8.2x-9.0x-12.8x (the best
    is urnik_-_ with 8.32-9.07-12.79). If it is the second path : the CP2 can maximum be 2.00 sec more than the CP1
    (ex: top10 recs) because of the respawn (it is the same with doing "gaz" right after touching the CP).
    The rec shows a 1.49 difference between CP1 and CP2 which is very suspect.

No idea about the first one, agree with and deleted the other three.

kaplovh wrote:

Seems like this guy (who -I am also sure now- is forceair) is learning additional tricks after each ban to hide his records (ex. : submitting (with forceair login) records with times close to the 2-30 range and on no-cp tracks to make them undetectable). This time, I noticed he's submitted recs every 10 minutes in average with times even closer than the #2 and with frequently correct CP times on multiCP tracks ; I don't know if this is a new trick he learned after his last ban but I'm still very skeptic.

Well, it's obvious that after our discussion of all the suspect entries forceair made, he'd learn and avoid those giveaways. What I don't get is why, if glasi66 and you are right, he is doing it again, full well knowing that another United account is likely to get banned if he gets caught again, and all recs deleted which means all the effort is futile. How can anyone be so dense?

Anyway, it's time to turn on the thumbscrews then: I blocked tm-speedserver and deleted the remaining #6-30 recs by forceair (some 350+ entries) to show how cheating puts hours of racing into jeopardy.  If capsogel comes forward here, then we'll see what happens.

bode_leon wrote:

Login: _w_fffko_f90n_fffgs_f00re

Yep, detected during my daily scans this morning. As always, no need to report these unless they're still around after two days.

bode_leon wrote:

Edit: He cheated on several other maps too...

A lot of others actually, and he wasn't alone on a bunch of them either. Banned three logins and deleted all their recs.

bode_leon wrote:

Was one of the accounts depp12345 ?

Yes, and noxy11. See http://www.tm-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=193214#p193214

Hello,

Xymph wrote:

Anyway, it's time to turn on the thumbscrews then: I blocked tm-speedserver ... If capsogel comes forward here, then we'll see what happens.

That guy is trying to play with us, that is what I see. He's created several new servers that run on Xaseco 1.10 where he was playing on for a few tracks before switching to another. Here is the list of his new servers (for now):

enkaemmen
minirundkurse
racinglooool
testfordrive

He's hooked in the moment on testfordrive. Bloking his servers won't bring him here, he will create a new one anyway.

Xymph wrote:

What I don't get is why, if glasi66 and you are right, he is doing it again, full well knowing that another United account is likely to get banned if he gets caught again, and all recs deleted which means all the effort is futile. How can anyone be so dense?

Well, I think banning his accounts won't change anything in his mind. He is just acting like a recidivist. A few example are the guys behind "kot55/kotek555/kot5555,martin3555/martin2547/martinXXXX(black jack),lolololo/lolololisback, etc
If you ban him now, I am sure he will pop up again with a new account and a new server. I know you can't ban IPs but sorry, I can't find any solution other than keep blocking his servers/logins.

xymph wrote:

Yes, I'm aware of most of those, and that this is what he might be doing. All four servers blocked now, I'll see what happens next.

The next two servers were loool2009 and British_Team2011. Blocked too.

And I've had enough of this nonsense: capsogel is now banned/blacklisted and all recs deleted.

xymph wrote:

I've been hunting cheaters for two years, and have worn out all those repeat kiddies, so I doubt anyone can keep fooling himself that he's having fun for a very long time with things that get deleted/blocked over and over again.

Next login, forceair?

Possibly the next player and server logins by forceair: domol1122 on gamezone25_, started three days after capsogel was banned.
I blocked the server.

kaplovh wrote:

xymph wrote:

Possibly the next player and server logins by forceair: domol1122 on gamezone25_, started three days after capsogel was banned.

Yes, I have also noticed both his new login and his server. I wasn't 100% sure at first because of his account region (The Netherlands) though his server is recorded as "GER" region.

I think he did that because I visited one of his servers as a spectator once -- he's just one province off from mine.
His latest server login was hansdamf, blocked again. Still waiting a bit before banning the player login and deleting all recs.

kaplovh wrote:

only-the-brave with incorrect CP times on :
ObEtJEz7Mjzd_x60bRExjolEGc8

Yep, and his other entry too. Both deleted.

kaplovh wrote:

felipemassa900 with cheated CP times on :
J722v1GaBByB579K8yVcBB2wwcj
UoxRcret0qrxxBemSjhA_qn0B_j

Aye, and deleted his remaining entries too.

kaplovh wrote:

hakx :
Three suspect recs on March 21

With a login like that, obviously. One of those tracks actually had another cheated entry, by adzter. which is now banned as all his 7 recs were cheated.

kaplovh wrote:

mezeravel (no cheating pattern but several suspect records) :
puuUXxD49VlKNgLwhc33bfklamh > third CP is impossible after the drift. CPs pattern very different compared to others ones.
_JXkP4_yw8N3KPsZcaD9dE70Pqj > First CP is 4.30 while the best ones are 4.33 or 4.34

A bunch more over the past several months:
YNdTqhaVg1j3zhTzCfncVVcey9: strange CP pattern
DQ9cby8Pwr3z1pkokuVBFrm4DVc: first CP in 6.15 is impossible
H_RevqrSL95Za0ykDpoGLDap_89: first CP in 8.00 ditto
0ZzU5O_JpNSLGc3l9ZMT8kVIbz2: first CP in 4.38 same
ZscR8a39n7jAm644tyaiUXKdOtl: first CP in 11.02 too
rGaMizCT_IBWtw_ihvWQHV7Sh0b: first CP in 6.85 and then second sector in 6.14 is impossible
And then I stopped checking, as that's more than enough for a ban.

kaplovh wrote:

-_zekevin_- :
aIdB0us3BGCagEIVSF1pP6beao2 > Cp ok but impossible finish time due to the jumps on the platforms

Yeah, probably cheated, all his 12 other recs deleted too.
One of those led to a cheated entry on 4ilSw28sSN2lAJzSFbBHvJiAiue by parimad, deleted all his 8 other recs as well.

kaplovh wrote:

robert2659 :
Two records with unlikely CP times on April 09

Indeed, cheated. All his other recs deleted too.

kaplovh wrote:

happyorc :
Three possibly cheated records on October 13 2010

Two definitely, one probably. And then he quit playing, so he won't miss all his recs.

Btw, long reports are very time-consuming to deal with on one evening, especially with time-consuming suspects like mezeravel, so please don't save up so many entries. Smaller, more frequent reports are easier to handle for me. Thanks.

Hello

barinsmack wrote:

the guy with login vts1989 and time 12.00 also has accounts with logins _viliuks_ and freeflu so watch out for these...

Strange... All three logins have cheated entry(ies) on April 25 recorded in that order : first vts1989, then _viliuks_ and then freeflu (17:38>17:51>18:47). Have to wait for the "great" automatic scan to handle these

xymph wrote:

Btw, long reports are very time-consuming to deal with on one evening, especially with time-consuming suspects like mezeravel, so please don't save up so many entries. Smaller, more frequent reports are easier to handle for me. Thanks.

OK, sorry for this little inconvenience, I'll go for MAX 2 players then

Latest finds :

cracked9 on :
sT_FH7ZWj46zz7A8If_B2iY5WX1
G6_U3bHjfY8O6Fp0_ZR4DkTspu0
uGRlx0yPu0RHtf58pweNbgxogM1

jimmy74162390 on several tracks like :
ZeKFDHzftPhckfF3CSWAkEdNXsc
1o2CrpX3r2k0qSA7rH1n1mJHu93
Dt_gHLRJMEAVuEhSMkvAHV0l3e6
etc.