Dedimania forum

kaplovh · 2011-01-29 20:40:11

mcbain wrote:
but here is something:

http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS

First rec...

Yes, CP1 : 4''22 while others are around 5''13.
Definitely cheated...

Meanwhile, I've found a bunch of other cheated records that I will post next week...

xymph · 2011-01-30 00:07:52

mcbain wrote:
long time i haven't seen something dedimania has become really good

Clean, I guess you mean. It's always been a good system. Thanks.

mcbain wrote:
but here is something:
http://dedimania.net/tmstats/?do=stat&a … ow=RECORDS
First rec...

Yup, that one slipped through the net last year, along with another rec he drove in the same session. All his recs deleted.

mcbain · 2011-01-30 01:11:14

you are right xymph. i was meaning good in the sense of cheatrec free^^

that dedimania is genious was always clear

kaplovh · 2011-01-31 09:09:34

Ok, here is what I've got :

Players :

streetraptor > 1mH8xkhOoLXlcT8oGD_DjJQx_C7 Impossible checkpoint time

potage > IPXVv4697r9d788oWpHzWAiXEo Bug time, not cheat. #2 is suspect

imafk > JOAI2fsyimpgK50qktYLTsQ9Lr5 Max CP time is around 6.48

imafk > JIgMoznh9lrsFehg528KPEqMIm2 First CP is cheated

Tracks :

h1bmdW0Jem44s7QrWuwKyQhegMm Top 3 dedis are bug (not cheat) as mentioned on the comments on the page http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … id=1950930

dAD1Ulbu9y4clokm1ZV4LWwi11d Limit should be around 9.38 with fullspeed and cut at the end, so #1 looks cheated and #2 suspect

xymph · 2011-01-31 21:44:08

kaplovh wrote:
streetraptor > 1mH8xkhOoLXlcT8oGD_DjJQx_C7 Impossible checkpoint time

Yup, deleted, and a bunch more of his recs as punishment.

kaplovh wrote:
potage > IPXVv4697r9d788oWpHzWAiXEo Bug time, not cheat. #2 is suspect

#1 deleted, login neuuueurrrr (#2) had a couple more suspects, and just 13 recs in total (from 2009), so deleted all.

kaplovh wrote:
imafk > JOAI2fsyimpgK50qktYLTsQ9Lr5 Max CP time is around 6.48

imafk > JIgMoznh9lrsFehg528KPEqMIm2 First CP is cheated

I concur, and driven back to back as well. But his #1's on UjEshW2IOFlSfdh_nh4ddMfo7Xc, 0psL30BDOJRC9UIx36GtRs2vufg, pdI9eN1cXS6GbULiPVugkw_jBEc, etc etc, too. All rather subtly done, hence they flew under my radar. Banned and all recs deleted.

kaplovh wrote:
Tracks :
h1bmdW0Jem44s7QrWuwKyQhegMm Top 3 dedis are bug (not cheat) as mentioned on the comments on the page http://tmnforever.tm-exchange.com/main. … id=1950930

Yeah, that happens sometimes. I scan for these situations, but they're all too easy to overlook when the difference to the normal recs is relatively small. Cleaned up.

kaplovh wrote:
dAD1Ulbu9y4clokm1ZV4LWwi11d Limit should be around 9.38 with fullspeed and cut at the end, so #1 looks cheated and #2 suspect

#1 cheated or bugged, hard to say, no other indications of cheating by nickels96. I just deleted it. maysen seems a reputable player, so I'm giving that rec the benefit of the doubt.

Thanks for the round-up.

xymph · 2011-02-01 20:49:46

xymph wrote:
On Jan 31 all your recs will be deleted unless you produce the replays. No more talking.

Even with one additional day, forceair uploaded zero replays for the 32 tracks listed earlier in this (too lengthy) discussion. Thus, there can be no other conclusion than that he couldn't (or doesn't want to bother to) prove his times on them were legitimate, which I think they can't be. Therefore, forceair has been added to the global Dedimania blacklist -- he was already banned on the master server to prevent further cheated entries during this investigation -- and all his recs (well, the top 5 ones, that's enough) have been deleted, as is standard practice for busted cheaters.

And no gloating comments anyone please. This is sad enough as it is.

forceair · 2011-02-02 00:59:40

also ich weis ned was das soll. für mich und auch für andere biste ein kleiner kinderficker....der sich aufgeilt andere leute zu unrecht die dedis zu löschen..nur weil ein belgischer flachwichser den ganzen tag leute verfolgt und guckt, das seine dedis geklaut wurde..haste mal seine replays angesehn, du flachwichser??? oder bist du auch so einer der sich hinter dem pc bei mama sich versteckt und warscheinlich noch an den titten lutscht....wie gesagt das sagen auch andere...naja egal, ich hoffe du hast spass daran...wie gesagt ich verdiene damit kein geld , aber du bestimmt du hirnloses arschloch...egal..man sieht sich immer 2 mal im leben.....

slig · 2011-02-02 18:00:08

Xymph has wasted lot of time and patience to reply to you, and, as bad a google translation is, it seems that all you are able to reply are insanity. You deserve your ban. period.

brainsmack · 2011-02-15 14:46:46

There are 2 wrong records on Nadeo C11 dedi, 32.47 and 38.24.
Both in rounds mode
Uid: npRjhClGPZMs_YK_T5yUrnWY0q9

and top 1 dedi cheater in nadeo TMN Race A-3, 6.88 by gorge99
Uid: yINz8oKwPEAw2pVmzvMKzHn5z_4

xymph · 2011-02-15 21:31:13

brainsmack wrote:
There are 2 wrong records on Nadeo C11 dedi, 32.47 and 38.24.
Both in rounds mode
Uid: npRjhClGPZMs_YK_T5yUrnWY0q9

Ancient, misplaced batch that slipped through the net at the time. Deleted.

brainsmack wrote:
and top 1 dedi cheater in nadeo TMN Race A-3, 6.88 by gorge99
Uid: yINz8oKwPEAw2pVmzvMKzHn5z_4

Maybe, or maybe another old, misplaced entry. Deleted.

Thanks for the heads-up.

kaplovh · 2011-03-07 10:12:05

Hello,

Here are my latest wrong entries found :

papanikolas :
NfXJ7KAGseERTBKbYumpR2e9ds6 > Dedi 1 is impossible.
ASaUxGj6CZfG07uz3pWQ1Tr_H9h > Dedi 18 but CP time is suspect

ps2000 :
cAvmfH5sXMw6lZnquAc205_x1bk > Looks like he skipped the "freewheel" block at the beginning

pingu321 :
YandLFu7nd5I9j5Q11dnwENplj4 > Really suspect time.
The dedi #2-#30 range is 10.08-10.15 btw.

pajos02 :
3KU0hKOObmf3Wu7MFRVvTvZjxsg > Really suspect time also. #2-#30 range is 7.90-7.98

hackeraki :
K0aiyjw2I1lYAkDlAmOixiQKgz4 > CP time is correct but finish time looks cheated compared to #2-#30 range

gio87 :
NdarDSmoMwCLwSS3zoO71XdTRK7
p78KvLt6ruRK_uI3FFZwttHrunf
pvTc1X9zEB_87511UjwDEFdvinm >> They all got impossible CP times

reddemonss :
jtjdphT6ZrVy2E0NrKyIl8T2w5l > CP time is 10.10, others are 11.4x
34XJ3aDZglBLWy03RInOe70Ntbm > Cp time is 6.22, other are 6.8x (best 6.79)

Besides, I found out recently that a recurent cheater is using same logins pattern and same nicknames :
Logins : martin_123_ , martin5sasa , martin398547 , martin_3215 , martin4548
Nickname : Black Jack
Nation : Slovakia

Last edited by kaplovh (2011-03-07 11:30:16)

epivitor · 2011-03-07 14:47:47

Hi everybody, may I ask you a few questions ?
First of all, I saw that you deleted lots of the records from kingvader and i'm wondering why you didn't ban him at all ? I'm playing lol tracks for more than 5 years and i know that his 1st place records were with cheating.
Second, someone with the login: rus_mischa has almost 800 first records and that's veeeeery suspicious + never met him in any lol server.
Third, when i report somebody for cheating by using the game's option, to whom the report is sent to ?

thxxxx

Last edited by epivitor (2011-03-07 15:09:29)

kaplovh · 2011-03-08 08:35:30

Hi epivitor

epivitor wrote:
First of all, I saw that you deleted lots of the records from kingvader and i'm wondering why you didn't ban him at all ?

He is already on the blacklist (=banned) so he can no longer submit new records. Xymph made the decision to delete his top 5 records, it's quite enough for a punishment.

epivitor wrote:
Second, someone with the login: rus_mischa has almost 800 first records and that's veeeeery suspicious + never met him in any lol server.

Personnally, I met him a few times and he is a really good player. I found neither cheating pattern, nor "strange" behaviours from him while he's playing. You will notice that most of his "incredible" records are uploaded on TMX.
Several other players also have a huge number of dedi 1 : buzka3, plastunio, chris_ri, maha1812, lucianos_racing, ...

epivitor wrote:
Third, when i report somebody for cheating by using the game's option, to whom the report is sent to ?

Sorry, I can't answer you. I've already tried a couple of times but I haven't got any response (to my in-game mail or to my "normal" mail box)...

Good race

slig · 2011-03-08 16:09:15

epivitor wrote:
Third, when i report somebody for cheating by using the game's option, to whom the report is sent to ?

to Nadeo, who else ?

epivitor · 2011-03-08 18:47:05

kaplovh wrote:
Personnally, I met him a few times and he is a really good player. I found neither cheating pattern, nor "strange" behaviours from him while he's playing. You will notice that most of his "incredible" records are uploaded on TMX.
Several other players also have a huge number of dedi 1 : buzka3, plastunio, chris_ri, maha1812, lucianos_racing, ...

I don't know the other players you mention neither the kind of the tracks they are playing, but rus_mischa seems to play very common and most played lol tracks where is very difficult to make many 1st times. I don't know, I'm very suspicious of him. His times are achievable but it's veeeery hard to do them. but kingvader was a cheater for sure, i remember him.

slig wrote:
to Nadeo, who else ?

And what are they doing? Do they take any actions?

ps. please check the 1st times in "Snodig Hopp" and "aiming for the hole" tracks

Last edited by epivitor (2011-03-08 18:53:46)

xymph · 2011-03-08 20:35:15

epivitor wrote:
First of all, I saw that you deleted lots of the records from kingvader and i'm wondering why you didn't ban him at all ?

When talking about players, always use their logins (e.g. forceair in this case), not nicknames (which can change, can duplicate someone else's, and are harder to search for).
kaplovh answered the rest.

epivitor wrote:
ps. please check the 1st times in "Snodig Hopp" and "aiming for the hole" tracks

When talking about tracks, always include their UIDs, as names are not always unique, and are harder to search for too.

epivitor · 2011-03-08 21:45:50

FAr22HQ3gkhGmosghqlbsnLLMgm

and

AalDR8i5bjjJW2XMyFmHVCXw1t

xymph · 2011-03-08 22:30:51

epivitor wrote:
FAr22HQ3gkhGmosghqlbsnLLMgm

Checked into that one yesterday, first loop looked cuttable, and dropsi is probably not a cheater (at least, I'm monitoring his entries since his warning, and didn't see any new ones). But I hadn't played the track until now, and that MT blocking your view makes the time very suspicious indeed.

kaplovh, what do you think? And while you're at it, about 10.09 on x08LNV9sWUqCbmudAVJnZ88o2S7 ?

epivitor wrote:
AalDR8i5bjjJW2XMyFmHVCXw1t

Cheated or a fluke... either way it's gone.

epivitor · 2011-03-08 23:26:56

FAr22HQ3gkhGmosghqlbsnLLMgm

it's more than clear that it's a cheat. as you said if you try to cut, the screen goes black and there are 2 cp so the route can't be changed (when i reported that record i didn't remeber that the screen goes black when you cut).
i didn't know that dropsi had a warning. looks like he started his hobby again

ps. as regards "forceair" he occupies a place in top30 for nothing (of course i respect your decision)

Last edited by epivitor (2011-03-08 23:30:33)

xymph · 2011-03-09 00:35:50

kaplovh wrote:
papanikolas :
NfXJ7KAGseERTBKbYumpR2e9ds6 > Dedi 1 is impossible.
ASaUxGj6CZfG07uz3pWQ1Tr_H9h > Dedi 18 but CP time is suspect

Both deleted.

kaplovh wrote:
ps2000 :
cAvmfH5sXMw6lZnquAc205_x1bk > Looks like he skipped the "freewheel" block at the beginning

Yeah, and his Y1kmG111vmZBYJACLSEqWG8bxZg entry is cheated, all his 11 times deleted.

kaplovh wrote:
pingu321 :
YandLFu7nd5I9j5Q11dnwENplj4 > Really suspect time.
The dedi #2-#30 range is 10.08-10.15 btw.

His time on bRCkJMoZwGNNIryjzZXglZrhW43 is also cheated, all his 3 entries deleted.

kaplovh wrote:
pajos02 :
3KU0hKOObmf3Wu7MFRVvTvZjxsg > Really suspect time also. #2-#30 range is 7.90-7.98

Yes, and his other entry (40ckLtWIoG4nh5WTQeAL8oXkIwg) driven in the same session too. Deleted all his top-2 entries.

kaplovh wrote:
hackeraki :
K0aiyjw2I1lYAkDlAmOixiQKgz4 > CP time is correct but finish time looks cheated compared to #2-#30 range

Possibly, but with a login like that, nobody will miss his two entries.

kaplovh wrote:
gio87 :
NdarDSmoMwCLwSS3zoO71XdTRK7
p78KvLt6ruRK_uI3FFZwttHrunf
pvTc1X9zEB_87511UjwDEFdvinm >> They all got impossible CP times

And I0lwsPaKdSardnqUtmvixlAiuge and qL44suYXnRdcZyFQvVA_xyilLh9 too. Banned and all 60+ recs deleted.

This also led to a couple of cheated entries by silenthunter303, appropriate housekeeping applied.

kaplovh wrote:
reddemonss :
jtjdphT6ZrVy2E0NrKyIl8T2w5l > CP time is 10.10, others are 11.4x
34XJ3aDZglBLWy03RInOe70Ntbm > Cp time is 6.22, other are 6.8x (best 6.79)

And three more cheated entries, so more housekeeping performed.

kaplovh wrote:
Besides, I found out recently that a recurent cheater is using same logins pattern and same nicknames :
Logins : martin_123_ , martin5sasa , martin398547 , martin_3215 , martin4548
Nickname : Black Jack
Nation : Slovakia

I know, been deleting those left, right and center.

Thanks for the round-up.

kaplovh · 2011-03-10 09:29:50

Hello all,

xymph wrote:
Checked into that one yesterday, first loop looked cuttable. But I hadn't played the track until now, and that MT blocking your view makes the time very suspicious indeed.

kaplovh, what do you think?

There's in fact a cut at the beginning, I've managed to get 14.67 by editing the track and removing that MT.
Compared to dropie's record, I've got 4.17 - 8.81 - 14.67 as CPs, so his records wasn't made with a boost-cheat or something like that. I have seen plenty of "memory" type tracks where the player has to memorize the track and drive it correctly because of a MT (black screen, shacking screen, etc) blocking the view. But there are oddly some guys that can easily drive these tracks as if they had deactivated all animations...
I cannot tell whether removing MTs with a hack or a bug is considered cheating...

xymph wrote:
And while you're at it, about 10.09 on x08LNV9sWUqCbmudAVJnZ88o2S7 ?

This time is fairly possible by taking the finish on a "floating platform" behind the curves. After a few tries, my best time was 10.17 with a bounce against the edge of the second curve. Definitely, something like 10.00 is possible with more luck.

xymph · 2011-03-10 23:20:10

kaplovh wrote:
I cannot tell whether removing MTs with a hack or a bug is considered cheating...

Impossible to detect, so I'm not going to worry about that. Thanks for checking.

kaplovh wrote:
xymph wrote:
And while you're at it, about 10.09 on x08LNV9sWUqCbmudAVJnZ88o2S7 ?
This time is fairly possible by taking the finish on a "floating platform" behind the curves. After a few tries, my best time was 10.17 with a bounce against the edge of the second curve. Definitely, something like 10.00 is possible with more luck.

Hmm... considering that player's track record, that seems extremely unlikely. But this one entry being cheated is also not very likely. I'll let it be then.

kaplovh · 2011-03-11 10:27:01

xymph wrote:
kaplovh wrote:
I cannot tell whether removing MTs with a hack or a bug is considered cheating...
Impossible to detect, so I'm not going to worry about that. Thanks for checking.

Ok, I understand what you mean... It can be time-consumming to check all.

xymph wrote:
Hmm... considering that player's track record, that seems extremely unlikely. But this one entry being cheated is also not very likely. I'll let it be then.

Yes, I checked it already, it's his only #1 entry. We'll just have to wait new records from him to see if some cheating pattern emerges. But i'm pretty sure it's a lucky run.
For example, on this track 3qgtc87xWO5CMh5j5Uh2C1vZjDj , I thought the #1 rec was cheated because my actual #2 record uploaded on TMX shows that my car litterally grazes all obstacles but slows down a bit after every turns. Having no cheating patterns, i think schlauesschwein's record was just a lucky run.

kaplovh · 2011-03-17 09:43:40

Hello,

Another bunch of cheated or very suspect entries found :

dropveter :
2MaIcT8KxxQiCv9HmjfWimOQKIj > CP time is 2.01 while other recs'one is 2.5x. Besides, the CP is just at the corner...
dropveter has no cheating pattern, I think this record is either a bug or from another track.

hayvan :
e24mCv6eVm0ugDuEOAeB4mZScvf > Very suspect time

trackmania2beta :
Azsv4Ejn8oQmSx6T5iq_bn1rVo4 > Cheated time compared to TMX record and dedis #2-30 range

brutalgrind :
XYDJ3mIjtVrIgjjktheT7hEawna > CP time is 7.89 while others have 8.6x
6lUc_ZiwZBrU6m7iOss0HKpwu5a > Very "far" time compared to the rest

_000h_fffa_000n_fffs_000i :
e1zwnDF1cO00fqC9hTDSp3MTEy4 > Very suspect CP time

achim44 :
Has a cheating pattern on March 13.

capsogel :
Is nobody else than kingvader (forceair, michaelundmartina, ..) because of strange and suspect #1 patterns he submits on most no-cp tracks, and because of statistics on the player page in the TMLadder site (same region, same login type as forceair). Even if it's not very hard proof, i think he's going to wreak havoc again soon...

kotek555 :
Same player as kot55, and cheating again...

Last edited by kaplovh (2011-03-17 10:40:43)

brainsmack · 2011-03-17 22:19:37

suspicious time on Nadeo D-3 race: 20.99 by login daan7

UID: HkhOzC1KEYxBUhb0srKCipJZ2a6

1st TMX is 21.09 for example

xymph · 2011-03-17 22:24:01

kaplovh wrote:
dropveter :
2MaIcT8KxxQiCv9HmjfWimOQKIj > CP time is 2.01 while other recs'one is 2.5x. Besides, the CP is just at the corner...
dropveter has no cheating pattern, I think this record is either a bug or from another track.

Actually, he did the same thing 9 days later on nB7M5Fm1x_FEKfRmgWn67qWCIJg. I'll let him off with a warning (and deleted all his top-4 times).

kaplovh wrote:
hayvan :
e24mCv6eVm0ugDuEOAeB4mZScvf > Very suspect time

Indeed. Deleted.

kaplovh wrote:
trackmania2beta :
Azsv4Ejn8oQmSx6T5iq_bn1rVo4 > Cheated time compared to TMX record and dedis #2-30 range

Yeah, most likely. Deleted.

kaplovh wrote:
brutalgrind :
XYDJ3mIjtVrIgjjktheT7hEawna > CP time is 7.89 while others have 8.6x
6lUc_ZiwZBrU6m7iOss0HKpwu5a > Very "far" time compared to the rest

And there were two more clearly cheated times in the same month (Jan 2010, but nobody escapes in the long run ). Banned and all his 120+ recs deleted.

kaplovh wrote:
_000h_fffa_000n_fffs_000i :
e1zwnDF1cO00fqC9hTDSp3MTEy4 > Very suspect CP time

Cheated, along with two more. Banned and deleted all his recs.

kaplovh wrote:
achim44 :
Has a cheating pattern on March 13.

And at least 1 cheated recs on Mar 1 too. Banned/deleted.

kaplovh wrote:
capsogel :
Is nobody else than kingvader (forceair, michaelundmartina, ..) because of strange and suspect #1 patterns he submits on most no-cp tracks, and because of statistics on the player page in the TMLadder site (same region, same login type as forceair). Even if it's not very hard proof, i think he's going to wreak havoc again soon...

Hmm, would be very weird if he'd put yet another United account in jeopardy that way (michaelundmartina was also United, hubertkah was Nations though). I'll keep an eye on it.

kaplovh wrote:
kotek555 :
Same player as kot55, and cheating again...

Popped up in today's scan, already banned earlier this evening.

Thanks as always.

Dedimania forum

#261 2011-01-29 20:40:11

Re: Wrong records

mcbain wrote:

#262 2011-01-30 00:07:52

Re: Wrong records

mcbain wrote:

mcbain wrote:

#263 2011-01-30 01:11:14

Re: Wrong records

#264 2011-01-31 09:09:34

Re: Wrong records

#265 2011-01-31 21:44:08

Re: Wrong records

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#266 2011-02-01 20:49:46

Re: Wrong records

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#267 2011-02-02 00:59:40

Re: Wrong records

#268 2011-02-02 18:00:08

Re: Wrong records

#269 2011-02-15 14:46:46

Re: Wrong records

#270 2011-02-15 21:31:13

Re: Wrong records

brainsmack wrote:

brainsmack wrote:

#271 2011-03-07 10:12:05

Re: Wrong records

#272 2011-03-07 14:47:47

Re: Wrong records

#273 2011-03-08 08:35:30

Re: Wrong records

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#274 2011-03-08 16:09:15

Re: Wrong records

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#275 2011-03-08 18:47:05

Re: Wrong records

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#276 2011-03-08 20:35:15

Re: Wrong records

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#277 2011-03-08 21:45:50

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Re: Wrong records

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#279 2011-03-08 23:26:56

Re: Wrong records

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Re: Wrong records

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#281 2011-03-10 09:29:50

Re: Wrong records

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#282 2011-03-10 23:20:10

Re: Wrong records

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